slowwin
01-30 05:33 PM
Guys,
as long as there is a leeway, people do tend to take the maximum advantage of that leeway. this applies in life in every aspect. OP did the same.
being moral or ethical is not the criterion here I guess, otherwise we would all have (I,C) have been current ( if no labor subs, eb3 to eb2 conversions etc).
I feel bad too, seeing some one who landed on H1B in 2006 , got hold of a 2002 labor sub. and is enjoying GC right now(thanks to July 2007 fiasco)., and for crying out loud I have been in USA since 2001, went to school here, is working in a physical science research position, have one patent and filed for 2 more.
I consider myself to have contributed to the USA, more than the guy I gave an example of (in terms of taxes, tuition, original research, etc). But does that all matter to the other guy, when he did what he did.
that is life :D
as long as there is a leeway, people do tend to take the maximum advantage of that leeway. this applies in life in every aspect. OP did the same.
being moral or ethical is not the criterion here I guess, otherwise we would all have (I,C) have been current ( if no labor subs, eb3 to eb2 conversions etc).
I feel bad too, seeing some one who landed on H1B in 2006 , got hold of a 2002 labor sub. and is enjoying GC right now(thanks to July 2007 fiasco)., and for crying out loud I have been in USA since 2001, went to school here, is working in a physical science research position, have one patent and filed for 2 more.
I consider myself to have contributed to the USA, more than the guy I gave an example of (in terms of taxes, tuition, original research, etc). But does that all matter to the other guy, when he did what he did.
that is life :D
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unitednations
08-25 02:03 PM
I agree it is wrong ...but let us look from the employer point of view ...mostly such employers are small companies trying to survive ...they have to balance 2 acts ..get a consultant and then find him a project soon..both are unknowns ..i.e. his consultant may get a h1 and then that person on h1 maybe smart enough to get a project ..it is difficult and these companies do serve a purpose i.e. they give entry in to US for many consultants ..who then jump after getting some experience.
The issue boils down to this:
Companies want to retain the employee as long as they can
consultant wants to leave as fast as they can
company wants to pay the least
consultant wants the most pay
Above four issues can be dealt with.
However; off of a project; company doesn't want to cancel h-1b (their investment, don't want to pay salary because it is cost prohibitive; many consultants want to go % basis as soon as they can and that is very little to pay people who are on bench). company tries to tell consultant to transfer h-1b or go back to home country and wait for new project. Consultant doesn't want to go back (they have their life here; kids going to school; car payments, friends, etc.).
It is a pretty easy solution from a company point of view; we don't pay bench but as soon as you are off project then you gotta go. People will beg and plead not to go; they will then try to transfer h-1b to another company without a job.
A lot of this has to do with person not wanting to leave and do everrything possible to stay.
The issue boils down to this:
Companies want to retain the employee as long as they can
consultant wants to leave as fast as they can
company wants to pay the least
consultant wants the most pay
Above four issues can be dealt with.
However; off of a project; company doesn't want to cancel h-1b (their investment, don't want to pay salary because it is cost prohibitive; many consultants want to go % basis as soon as they can and that is very little to pay people who are on bench). company tries to tell consultant to transfer h-1b or go back to home country and wait for new project. Consultant doesn't want to go back (they have their life here; kids going to school; car payments, friends, etc.).
It is a pretty easy solution from a company point of view; we don't pay bench but as soon as you are off project then you gotta go. People will beg and plead not to go; they will then try to transfer h-1b to another company without a job.
A lot of this has to do with person not wanting to leave and do everrything possible to stay.
shana04
07-20 11:20 AM
Shana04,
We cannot divert the funds already donated to the core IV funds at this moment(we are working on to see if this can be done). We are only collecting the pledge here to come up with the total.
Hearfelt thanks for your contribution, but it cannot be added as part of this drive (atleast at this moment)
Thanks !!!
I would be happy either way that I have contributed to IV, but would be even more happy if the fund is used towards a great cause.
Thanks,
Shana04
We cannot divert the funds already donated to the core IV funds at this moment(we are working on to see if this can be done). We are only collecting the pledge here to come up with the total.
Hearfelt thanks for your contribution, but it cannot be added as part of this drive (atleast at this moment)
Thanks !!!
I would be happy either way that I have contributed to IV, but would be even more happy if the fund is used towards a great cause.
Thanks,
Shana04
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vbkris77
05-01 01:51 PM
Well, you assume family members can get AP and EAD after submitting I-485. Not true for many people. Take myself as an example, I was not lucky enough to file my I485 in 2007. So with a PD of early 2007, I have none of the benefit from AOS a(B) who is the beneficiary (including a spouse or child of the principal alien, if eligible to receive a visa under section 203(d) ) of--
(i) a petition for classification under section 204 that was filed with the Attorney General on or before 2a/ April 30, 2001; or
(ii) an application for a labor certification under section 212(a)(5)(A) that was filed pursuant to the regulations of the Secretary of Labor on or before such date; and 2a/
t all.
Although for me it's not a big deal because my wife will soon get her PhD and will file for her own immigration petition. This actually works better for us, because it will make the line much shorter and both of us will get the green card much quicker.
However, for those who do not work and solely depend on their spouses to get green card. This change can spell disaster for them during the long wait caused by retrogression without the ability to file AOS.
I am in the same boat, per INA, when your PD is current, you including your family will be able to file I485. What OP saying is that they should be counted against FB2. INA explicitly has that point.. With is we should be able to file I485 quick and primary gets GC quickly.
(B) who is the beneficiary (including a spouse or child of the principal alien, if eligible to receive a visa under section 203(d) ) of--
(i) a petition for classification under section 204 that was filed with the Attorney General on or before 2a/ April 30, 2001; or
(ii) an application for a labor certification under section 212(a)(5)(A) that was filed pursuant to the regulations of the Secretary of Labor on or before such date; and 2a/
(i) a petition for classification under section 204 that was filed with the Attorney General on or before 2a/ April 30, 2001; or
(ii) an application for a labor certification under section 212(a)(5)(A) that was filed pursuant to the regulations of the Secretary of Labor on or before such date; and 2a/
t all.
Although for me it's not a big deal because my wife will soon get her PhD and will file for her own immigration petition. This actually works better for us, because it will make the line much shorter and both of us will get the green card much quicker.
However, for those who do not work and solely depend on their spouses to get green card. This change can spell disaster for them during the long wait caused by retrogression without the ability to file AOS.
I am in the same boat, per INA, when your PD is current, you including your family will be able to file I485. What OP saying is that they should be counted against FB2. INA explicitly has that point.. With is we should be able to file I485 quick and primary gets GC quickly.
(B) who is the beneficiary (including a spouse or child of the principal alien, if eligible to receive a visa under section 203(d) ) of--
(i) a petition for classification under section 204 that was filed with the Attorney General on or before 2a/ April 30, 2001; or
(ii) an application for a labor certification under section 212(a)(5)(A) that was filed pursuant to the regulations of the Secretary of Labor on or before such date; and 2a/
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Ushakiran
05-08 05:09 PM
US employment based immigration system is merit based, not need based. The EB system is to keep US industry more competitive. if you were a hiring manager, you would give a Pakistani more preference than an Indian, just because Pakistan has less infrastructure than India?
1)
For sure legal alternatives wont help. the country cap is to ensure equal opportunity for smaller countries which dont have enough infrastructure as large countries such as India/china. We cannot expect the country cap to be removed.
1)
For sure legal alternatives wont help. the country cap is to ensure equal opportunity for smaller countries which dont have enough infrastructure as large countries such as India/china. We cannot expect the country cap to be removed.
Googler
06-08 04:30 PM
How are you guys seeing these check images? Did you pay for this out of your own pocket?
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helpme1234
09-26 08:15 PM
July 3 recvd at NSC at 11:14 a, by f heiunefer still waiting checks not cashed...anyone on the same situation
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Lisap
08-28 03:39 PM
I filed late June at NSC trs to Texas and received on July 2nd. Just received my RN yesterday for my 485. On line it says that my ead has been approved and the notice went out on the 25th.
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raysaikat
08-10 11:33 AM
I git the I-485 Approval mail on 8/4/08 - but I have not recd any CPO mail or welcome PR mail - nor have I recd the notices in the mail -should Itake Infopass appt ?
Does USCIS have the right address on file? If yes, then perhaps you should wait for another week before starting to inquire.
Does USCIS have the right address on file? If yes, then perhaps you should wait for another week before starting to inquire.
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unitednations
08-25 03:18 AM
Is it possible for an administrative fix at the USCIS where the H-1B worker doesn't fall out of status immediately on losing his/her job? Or would such a provision require a law to be passed by the Congress?
A grace period of say 3 months to look for a job, or to pack up and leave, would relieve the pressure on the laid off H-1B worker and reduce incidents of system abuse.
If this can be done at the USCIS, perhaps we can write to the Obudsman and also to the USCIS director/associate directors. This is an important issue in this economy. I will be happy to draft a letter.
Good intention but this type of information by telling legislators actually hurts the cause. You want people to remain in USA but not complying with the visas.
Pre 9/11 when the economy was slowing down and there were layoffs; there was a memo from uscis that they would be lenient in transfer cases (give a period of a couple of months without paystubs). However; everything changed in 2002/2003 when INS went to 0 tolerance policy (ashcroft had a press conference saying this). That is when things started to change. The memo has since been rescinded (ie., zero tolerance policy).
A grace period of say 3 months to look for a job, or to pack up and leave, would relieve the pressure on the laid off H-1B worker and reduce incidents of system abuse.
If this can be done at the USCIS, perhaps we can write to the Obudsman and also to the USCIS director/associate directors. This is an important issue in this economy. I will be happy to draft a letter.
Good intention but this type of information by telling legislators actually hurts the cause. You want people to remain in USA but not complying with the visas.
Pre 9/11 when the economy was slowing down and there were layoffs; there was a memo from uscis that they would be lenient in transfer cases (give a period of a couple of months without paystubs). However; everything changed in 2002/2003 when INS went to 0 tolerance policy (ashcroft had a press conference saying this). That is when things started to change. The memo has since been rescinded (ie., zero tolerance policy).
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sanhari
07-19 04:08 PM
how to use the spillover is purely an USCIS decision. Only to use the spillover to avoid wastage is a law, which is already in place. Infact USCIS was not doing this top down approach on spill over few years ago, this is a new practice they are following since last Fiscal Year, so I strongly believe if Congressmen/women puts pressure/more request it can be changed to a fair application of visa spillover to benefit all that are in the queue for a long wait.
Let's please not start EB2 and EB3 fight again.
What I understand (and I am not a lawyer), is to change the current situation, law must be changed. Congressman can be helpful here, but only if there is going to be a change in law. A congressman can not simply call USCIS to change the way they do things. They must come up with legislative change that can then be followed by USCIS.
Now for any legislative change, there is resistance from CHC to let it pass as a small piece, rather they want more comprehensive approach. This issue is so complex and no political party or politicians are interested in opeing the can of worms.
Did you see O'Riely interview Sarah Palin?? She could not answer the question that was "yes or no" (I am not much impressed with her IQ any way...but that was one example).
Under current circumstances, the only two hopes for EB3 India are:
1. Port over to EB2.
2. Legislative change which effectively will mean immigration reform with good provisions for EB immigration.
What can we relay to our congressmen? (and we all should do it):
- Employment based immigration is good for the economic health of this country: it creates jobs, EB immigrants pay taxes, buy houses, they are educated etc.
- EB immigration is only a small fraction of immigration currently (I forgot the exact %, I believe it is 12%). And it carries "country cap" in the name of "diversity". However no such control exist for the majority of rest of immigration (88%) and so there is no diversity clause there....why is it only on EB immigration.
- EB immigrants pay a major portion of income to USCIS. While data is not availabe from USCIS, if we do the math (based on filing fees), it pays for > 50% of income of USCIS while it constitutes only 12% of their workload.
Bottom line:
- Increasing EB immigration can only bring prosperity to this country. If at all immigration needs to be curbed, it should be other areas where rest of 88% of immigration is occuring which may not be good for the country's economy.
- Increase the annual quota of EB immigration, remove the country cap, make it simple to attract more talent from the rest of the world.
- In fact anyone who completes masters of higher degree in STEM, should be oferred immigration benefit automatically.
Let's please not start EB2 and EB3 fight again.
What I understand (and I am not a lawyer), is to change the current situation, law must be changed. Congressman can be helpful here, but only if there is going to be a change in law. A congressman can not simply call USCIS to change the way they do things. They must come up with legislative change that can then be followed by USCIS.
Now for any legislative change, there is resistance from CHC to let it pass as a small piece, rather they want more comprehensive approach. This issue is so complex and no political party or politicians are interested in opeing the can of worms.
Did you see O'Riely interview Sarah Palin?? She could not answer the question that was "yes or no" (I am not much impressed with her IQ any way...but that was one example).
Under current circumstances, the only two hopes for EB3 India are:
1. Port over to EB2.
2. Legislative change which effectively will mean immigration reform with good provisions for EB immigration.
What can we relay to our congressmen? (and we all should do it):
- Employment based immigration is good for the economic health of this country: it creates jobs, EB immigrants pay taxes, buy houses, they are educated etc.
- EB immigration is only a small fraction of immigration currently (I forgot the exact %, I believe it is 12%). And it carries "country cap" in the name of "diversity". However no such control exist for the majority of rest of immigration (88%) and so there is no diversity clause there....why is it only on EB immigration.
- EB immigrants pay a major portion of income to USCIS. While data is not availabe from USCIS, if we do the math (based on filing fees), it pays for > 50% of income of USCIS while it constitutes only 12% of their workload.
Bottom line:
- Increasing EB immigration can only bring prosperity to this country. If at all immigration needs to be curbed, it should be other areas where rest of 88% of immigration is occuring which may not be good for the country's economy.
- Increase the annual quota of EB immigration, remove the country cap, make it simple to attract more talent from the rest of the world.
- In fact anyone who completes masters of higher degree in STEM, should be oferred immigration benefit automatically.
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dontcareanymore
07-28 12:48 AM
1) First of all this is not the response to just the quoted post, but many on the same lines, especially from delax and others.
2)I believe that that whole process is so screwed up that it is never fair and never will be. Irrespective of what Eb3s hope for and try , Eb2 folks are going to get their GCs and Eb3s will have to wait until stars align for them.
3) I don't really care one way or other , because what you wish,hope or try to do will have no bearing on the outcome.
<Those who think 2 year EADs are because of your letters , stay in the dreamland - ignorance is bliss >
4) I am really happy for Eb2 folks (No way jealous) , just pissed by some attitude here.
Now that I have the disclaimers out of the way, Here is what I have to say:
Why the heck you never made the argument that "law is law" and "There is no compassion" before law crap when you were retrogressed ?
What happened to what law says , when attempts were made to grab visas from ROW with the same "It is not fair" argument ?
What is the yardstick for EB2 ? It is just what your employer says it is. I know so many in body shops with Eb2 apps while others languish in Eb3 queue.
You can't extend the logic to all EB1 categories. At least in some of the EB categories one has to have published research work in peer reviewed journals.
Will give you an example :
Know some one who came here as postdoc with PHD in life sciences (zoology) and self filed for GC EB1and now runs an Indian grocery just after being in job for less than a year. How do you justify that GC is in the interest of US than a person who is working in a company for 10 years ?
It is true that the original number is broken up equally among all categories but the INA clearly states that if the demand within a category is not sufficient to use up all the visas in that category then the excess should be made available without any regard to country limit in that category. Here's a fact from the July bulletin - not an opinion:
There have been questions raised regarding the way numbers have been provided to the China and India in the Employment Second preference categories beginning in April. Section 202(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act states that if total demand for visas in an Employment preference category is insufficient to use all available visa numbers in that category in a calendar quarter, then the unused numbers may be made available without regard to the annual per-country limit. (For example: If the second preference annual limit were 40,000, number use by “All Other Countries” were estimated to be only 25,000, and the China/India combined number use based on their per-country limits were 6,000, then there would be 9,000 numbers unused. Those 9,000 numbers could then be made available to China and India applicants without regard to their per-country limits.)
I dont buy the argument that length of wait (as implied in the letter) should determine eligibility for approval disregarding the clear categorization established by law AFTER the initial handout is made on an equal basis. I have always maintained that any logic used to justify shifting visas between EB2 and EB3 purely based on the length of wait can also easily be used between EB2 and EB1. The fact that EB1 has never retrogressed does not matter. Unfortunately LAW is an absolute entity - there is no compassionate interpretation in civil and common law.
If a EB3-2002 is approved before EB2-2004 purely based on length of wait and ignoring the categorization after the initial handout then the same logic or rationale can be used to approve EB2-2004 before EB1-2007 by 'holding back' the visa from the EB1 candidate and giving it to EB2.
I dont think either of us is interested in going down the path of EB2 versus EB3 but to the extent this letter implies/attempts to do that, it is detrimental to the functioning of this group. Cheers
2)I believe that that whole process is so screwed up that it is never fair and never will be. Irrespective of what Eb3s hope for and try , Eb2 folks are going to get their GCs and Eb3s will have to wait until stars align for them.
3) I don't really care one way or other , because what you wish,hope or try to do will have no bearing on the outcome.
<Those who think 2 year EADs are because of your letters , stay in the dreamland - ignorance is bliss >
4) I am really happy for Eb2 folks (No way jealous) , just pissed by some attitude here.
Now that I have the disclaimers out of the way, Here is what I have to say:
Why the heck you never made the argument that "law is law" and "There is no compassion" before law crap when you were retrogressed ?
What happened to what law says , when attempts were made to grab visas from ROW with the same "It is not fair" argument ?
What is the yardstick for EB2 ? It is just what your employer says it is. I know so many in body shops with Eb2 apps while others languish in Eb3 queue.
You can't extend the logic to all EB1 categories. At least in some of the EB categories one has to have published research work in peer reviewed journals.
Will give you an example :
Know some one who came here as postdoc with PHD in life sciences (zoology) and self filed for GC EB1and now runs an Indian grocery just after being in job for less than a year. How do you justify that GC is in the interest of US than a person who is working in a company for 10 years ?
It is true that the original number is broken up equally among all categories but the INA clearly states that if the demand within a category is not sufficient to use up all the visas in that category then the excess should be made available without any regard to country limit in that category. Here's a fact from the July bulletin - not an opinion:
There have been questions raised regarding the way numbers have been provided to the China and India in the Employment Second preference categories beginning in April. Section 202(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act states that if total demand for visas in an Employment preference category is insufficient to use all available visa numbers in that category in a calendar quarter, then the unused numbers may be made available without regard to the annual per-country limit. (For example: If the second preference annual limit were 40,000, number use by “All Other Countries” were estimated to be only 25,000, and the China/India combined number use based on their per-country limits were 6,000, then there would be 9,000 numbers unused. Those 9,000 numbers could then be made available to China and India applicants without regard to their per-country limits.)
I dont buy the argument that length of wait (as implied in the letter) should determine eligibility for approval disregarding the clear categorization established by law AFTER the initial handout is made on an equal basis. I have always maintained that any logic used to justify shifting visas between EB2 and EB3 purely based on the length of wait can also easily be used between EB2 and EB1. The fact that EB1 has never retrogressed does not matter. Unfortunately LAW is an absolute entity - there is no compassionate interpretation in civil and common law.
If a EB3-2002 is approved before EB2-2004 purely based on length of wait and ignoring the categorization after the initial handout then the same logic or rationale can be used to approve EB2-2004 before EB1-2007 by 'holding back' the visa from the EB1 candidate and giving it to EB2.
I dont think either of us is interested in going down the path of EB2 versus EB3 but to the extent this letter implies/attempts to do that, it is detrimental to the functioning of this group. Cheers
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Honda
09-10 12:33 AM
-with correction
We all morons and still wont learn, we will still start predicting for next visa bulletin hoping that a reincarnation of god will come and deliver us visa numbers.
Unless we all make a collective effort no one is going to listen to us. I know the fate of my post, we all will get busy to get our post noted or express our opinion which will definitely solve our problem or proving our point the that "i am right you are wrong" or get busy with "my ideas are better than yours" or "who wins the quote slamming contest".
We have simply lost our fous of our main problem . I think we deserve this perhaps I think if we continue like this we dont even deserve GCs.[/QUOTE]
There is nothing change in the next bulletin. What you saw from the last couple of bulletins "Unavailable". That should be happened with in few months. This is my opinion. I am not blaming any body. This is the real situation going on from the last couple of years bulletins.
We all morons and still wont learn, we will still start predicting for next visa bulletin hoping that a reincarnation of god will come and deliver us visa numbers.
Unless we all make a collective effort no one is going to listen to us. I know the fate of my post, we all will get busy to get our post noted or express our opinion which will definitely solve our problem or proving our point the that "i am right you are wrong" or get busy with "my ideas are better than yours" or "who wins the quote slamming contest".
We have simply lost our fous of our main problem . I think we deserve this perhaps I think if we continue like this we dont even deserve GCs.[/QUOTE]
There is nothing change in the next bulletin. What you saw from the last couple of bulletins "Unavailable". That should be happened with in few months. This is my opinion. I am not blaming any body. This is the real situation going on from the last couple of years bulletins.
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mita
08-12 02:31 PM
Did anyone receive card mailed e-mail/status update? I saw one member receive that.
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pictures them in salt water.
acepb
08-28 01:56 AM
filed aug 3 2008 card ordered aug 26 2008
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dingudi
11-05 03:22 PM
Hi,
I am a Jul 23rd I-485 filer. Just called USCIS second time (first time no success), went thru their menu and was lucky to get a great Cust Service Rep.
She asked me the I-485 receipt #s, address, primary contact #, DOB, and Zip Code for self and spouse.
She generated a SR for us together and gave us a Conf # for FP notice. She said that you should receive a FP appt notice in next 30 days.
So I guess, perseverance does pay off :)
Hopefully we can get this FP out of the way soon enough.
FYI I am a Bay Area resident.
I am not sure if opening SR helps, especially for TSC. I opened SR 30 days ago and still waiting. They have not scheduled me yet for an appointment.
I am a Jul 23rd I-485 filer. Just called USCIS second time (first time no success), went thru their menu and was lucky to get a great Cust Service Rep.
She asked me the I-485 receipt #s, address, primary contact #, DOB, and Zip Code for self and spouse.
She generated a SR for us together and gave us a Conf # for FP notice. She said that you should receive a FP appt notice in next 30 days.
So I guess, perseverance does pay off :)
Hopefully we can get this FP out of the way soon enough.
FYI I am a Bay Area resident.
I am not sure if opening SR helps, especially for TSC. I opened SR 30 days ago and still waiting. They have not scheduled me yet for an appointment.
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dudes2006
02-17 03:24 PM
Your transaction ID for this payment is: 07V75595NX6113029.
All the best for advocacy days....Go IV Go !
All the best for advocacy days....Go IV Go !
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acecupid
09-24 05:31 PM
A person has been with a company for 10 years as a Test Lead and is promoted to a position of a manager and the Lead expects that on the first day of being a manager he wants all the rights and benefits of being a manager for 10 years even though he has been a lead for all of those 10 years.
In your analogy you are forgetting the company (USCIS) still promoted that Test Lead to Manager even though he wants all those benefits from the very first day(INA law).
In other words it is a law per USCIS! So stop cribbing because it doesnt suit you.
In your analogy you are forgetting the company (USCIS) still promoted that Test Lead to Manager even though he wants all those benefits from the very first day(INA law).
In other words it is a law per USCIS! So stop cribbing because it doesnt suit you.
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diptam
07-06 12:53 PM
Did you read this post ?
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6053
Folks, I am preparing a draft of the letter to be sent to the media. Any suggestions for points to be included are welcome!
I plan to include some information about the immigration system, details about the fiasco, how it impacted us, what our flowers are meant for.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6053
Folks, I am preparing a draft of the letter to be sent to the media. Any suggestions for points to be included are welcome!
I plan to include some information about the immigration system, details about the fiasco, how it impacted us, what our flowers are meant for.
sparklinks
09-02 03:29 PM
I filed on June 18th (RD) and I am still waiting...current one Expires in 3 weeks. Any suggestion what I should do.
chalamcharla
10-02 09:04 PM
Hello,
Reached I 485 on July5th ,9:17a.m to NSC and signed by R.WILLIAMS.
Checks Not cashed yet.
waiting ...:mad::mad::mad::mad:
Reached I 485 on July5th ,9:17a.m to NSC and signed by R.WILLIAMS.
Checks Not cashed yet.
waiting ...:mad::mad::mad::mad:
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